my son asked me 40 years ago.
should we be glad adam sinned?
because if he hadn't, we would not be the person we are.. any opinions?
ucantome " Would we exist if Adam and Eve didn't sin?
The Rebel:- How did Adan and Eve sin? The story is they were told not to eat fruit from a tree or they would die? They were given a choice. So they didn't disobay God. Instead they exercised a choice they were given by God. Therefore please explain what was the Sin?
The Rebel.
witnesses are so anxious, stressed, highly strung..... so much for ones who are supposed to be "the happiest people"..... thoughts?.
stuckinarut2 " Why are witnesses so stressed?
The Rebel:-
A) He/ she becomes sixty and they still believe in fairy-tales.
B) They become pensioners with crappy pensions.
C) Armageddon is like waiting for that last tooth to fall out.
D) As J.Ws love a scripture to back things up, ( 1 cor 1-3) "they are being fed spiritual milk..." and whilst everybody loves a bald baby, living in a congregation where everybody is so easily offended, and you are competing with everybody to be the most super-pious, is very babyish and stressful.
The Rebel.
why do people care so much about celebrities?
What about the humble mayflower? The poor thing only has 6 hours to live. As soon as they are born they're worried about old age. By the time they are 3 hours old they're really middle aged, and in another 3 hours they are gaga and then they die.
My point is, if a person has compassion for any death, surely this is better than being indifferent.
The Rebel.
i am seven months without bible bashing, without door-knocking, or standing by a trolley cart looking like a prat.
and i feel the real winners are the " lucky bastards" who haven't been told about jehvover.
furthermore they are spared super pious me telling them what they can and can't do.
Seven months with out reading the bible or watchtower material, that's good isn't it?
Now let me tell you why it's good. Because the Watchtower is not about a message of good news, and thinking the destruction of 99.9% of the population is good news is ludicrous because it's not good news. Infact it's cruel and vicious.
My new message of the good news is Religion is a dicey subject at the best of times, it's all about getting in to arguments. It's a sad thing when humun beings with the capacity to smile and laugh can get so hung up on religion. Think about it, how often did you see genuine smiles and laughter at the Kingdom Hall?
The Rebel.
3:1 then the word of the lord came to jonah a second time: 2 “go to the great city of nineveh and proclaim to it the message i give you.”3 jonah obeyed the word of the lord and went to nineveh.
now nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it.
4 jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “forty more days and nineveh will be overthrown.” 5 the ninevites believed god.
Imagine the scene, it's a lovely day outside and your thinking of taking the family out for a picnic. I would call that an idyllic way to spend the day wouldn't you? Now imagine suddenly there is a knock, knock on the bloody door. You know who it is? Honestly haven't you got better things to do than answer it? Why stop having a good time, to listern to an evil and nonsensical message from a cult? This is why it takes 100,ooo hours per conversion.
The Rebel.
i am seven months without bible bashing, without door-knocking, or standing by a trolley cart looking like a prat.
and i feel the real winners are the " lucky bastards" who haven't been told about jehvover.
furthermore they are spared super pious me telling them what they can and can't do.
I am seven months without bible bashing, without door-knocking, or standing by a trolley cart looking like a prat. And I feel the real winners are the " lucky bastards" who haven't had me telling them about Jehvover. Furthermore they are spared super pious me telling them what they can and can't do. Who am I to tell a perfect stranger he must shave his beard, study with me, not commit audultry, nor covet his neighbors wife?
Also in the last seven months I have been spared making a total prat of myself explaining to educated people, how Adam and Eve had all these children of different color skin, or trying to justify why a loving God allows so much suffering in the world.
Personally I have concluded there are millions of religions, so at best it's a big toss up what one if any is right. However it was certainly presumptuous of me to assume Jehovers Witnesses were the correct religion. Why cant buddisam be the right religion? I can imagine the shock if I was a perfectly good Witness only to die and Buddah laughing all over his face sends me back to earth as a worm.
Anyway I now believe in having a good time, and letting perfect strangers sin and convet their neighbors wife if they wish. It's really none of my business.
The Rebel.
in fact just like the watchtower, i've no idea what they were writing about half the time.
all that rubbish about " i am the walrus" and eleanor rigby keeping her teeth in a jam jar or something, and what "lucy the in the sky with diamonds" means i do not know!
anyway, i mention the above because shortly after i quit meetings, beattle loving brother, ian x also, stopped attending meetings, and i watched him transform himself in to a, scruffy bearded, hippyish, beer drinking slob, ( translation a great guy) .
Barrold Bonds (Q) " w.t.f did someone really have to explain Eleonor Rigby to someone?
The Rebel. To all posters on the thread, ESCAPING the W.T who want to make sense of it, I would google " Elmer Gentry" and you will find your answers. The author is Sinclair Lewis.
The Rebel.
this thread is for when you have to say something to get it out of the system, whether it is happy or sad.
my reason for stating the thread is that on occasion some threads do tend to get a little heated here, and maybe this thread will enable us to reflect on the important fact, we are real people and not just dots on a computer screen.. i would love to start the thread with a bang, but nothing of particular interest has happened, only i do hope the weather improves as the climate i live in has been sadly chilly for the time of year, (if you get the deeper meaning).
the rebel..
Well my kid went to school today, and he asked me to charge his ISamsing Galazy, no problem. Yet I just heard the click, the battery needs charging, I looked in the drawer, leads for I pads, iPhones, shavers and all sorts, but I can't find the lead that charges his " Samsung Galazy" ....I love that boy, and isn't it crazy if I don't find that charger, when he comes home from school, even if I give him his favorite classic white Mini magnum choclate bar he will be angry.
Is this anger justified? It's life, modern life, and I think it justified. He loves putting on his Samsung Galazy, and watching his favorite you tuber, " Dan" before we talk about his day.
What have I learnt from this? Well the trick is, each individual should be allowed to do what they want, and as a parent I think " You Tuber" " Dan" is great for my boy, and he enjoys it. We don't own our children.
Anyway now I don't make my child go to J.W meetings because it's expected from the congregation he do so. I respect he deserves alone time, to be Orlando. Most importantly if I promise my boy I will charge his Galazy tablet, I should do it. A promise is a promise.
My point of the post is, my boy may come home from school and say it doesn't matter I didn't charge his Galazy tablet? But it does matter. Why? Because now we have more diplomacy in our home, family decisions, not watchtower decisions, are made, and therefore I am learning, functional families argue about the silliest of things, and those silly petty arguments like you don't kick a football in the hallway, are more fun than you can't go to football tonight it's family bible study.
The Rebel.
i think that's the correct phrase?
anyway when i first came here, that little picture that "the rebel" hides behind, was a self portrait of a very sad man, who simply had too much knowledge.
now i feel after 7 months here, i should repaint that " avetor" give some happiness to the eyes, and a contented smile to the lips.. in short my " avetor" was a self portrait of a man with too much knowledge.
Who would have thought looking at a posters " avator" so much thought lay behind it? It's made fun reading and been helpful in understanding behind the " avator" are so many intelligent, sensitive and valuable " real" people.
Thanks.
The Rebel.
this thread is for when you have to say something to get it out of the system, whether it is happy or sad.
my reason for stating the thread is that on occasion some threads do tend to get a little heated here, and maybe this thread will enable us to reflect on the important fact, we are real people and not just dots on a computer screen.. i would love to start the thread with a bang, but nothing of particular interest has happened, only i do hope the weather improves as the climate i live in has been sadly chilly for the time of year, (if you get the deeper meaning).
the rebel..
Je.suis.oisif, thank you:-
You make starting this thread worthwhile. I am so glad you are sending in your letter of D.A, after a 13 months fade, I am sure you have made a balanced decision. I wish you all the best for the future. This is what this forum should and is all about, helping and supporting people, and giving them time to break free.
All the best for the future.
The Rebel.
p.s And as for your politics and voting that U.K remain in the E.U, it's like if God exists or not, I am not getting in the debate, it's not why I am here. The important thing for me is I have enjoyed following your watchtower journey and sharing mine with yours, and we have shared a lot of theads and I am glad we are both free.
